Industrial vs. Goth

[schneeball]

Being how Germany is the birth place of industrial music, I'm wondering how popular is it now? Also, are you more into industrial or goth or both?

In the states, bubble gum and slick R&B style rap still dominate (along with modern country music   :? ). How commericial is Germany's mainstream? Inquiring minds need to know.

[W]

No, Germany ain't the birth place of Industrial, guess it started in the U.K. with Throbbing Gristle and S.P.K., but many people don’t even know what Industrial really is. Amusing to see if someone's putting Marilyn Manson in an Industrial Corner. :roll:
So, Industrial might become more popular in the Underground, but not on commercial Radio Stations or on MTV, there you can listen to stupid commercial soft Hip Hop Bullshit the whole day! :evil:

[Der Uhu]

Industrial is very common in Germany and heaps of gothics like it. Often it is mixed up with electronic Techno-like beats. But I am really not a specialist because I am not much into that music. To be honest I hate it! That is not music! That is only noise and I always fell like at VW in the assambly hangar. But as "W" already said it is hardly played in the radio. Instead they play a lot of that R&B, Hip-Hop, Funk & soul, which is something I hate even more. Why do they import only crap!? Sean Paul and Usher and stuff like that! Disgusting! Fortunately there are also some bearable pop songs and increasingly german bands in the radio.

[SuperTorus]

Uhu, why are you listening to the radio at the first place?  It sucks, and it will never change anymore. Radio is dead.

And btw, for some reason I thought industrial was born in belgium. Don't know why. The more i think about it the least sense it makes...


I think industrial goes well along with the other styles. On parties, when it's a bit later we usually get a lot of industrial stuff at the Kir and Return partys. We also (does Stahlklang still exists?) have a party dedicated to industrial, noise and so on.  Been there a couple of times, and when I was in the right mood I had a great time.

We have some kind of split between the electro and guitar oriented music though. That's a bad thing. Parties where booth kinds of music are played (*g*) are very nice most of the time. They just don't happen that often anymore.

I can't really enjoy a whole night of pure future-pop/electro anymore. Two years ago I had a great time justhanging out at the party and listening.  But nowadayxs I don't see any progress in the electronic music. The last two albums that got my attention where assemblage23 / failure and the neurotic fish album (and those are old). Besides those I only see catcopies. If I wouldn't have all these nice folks around me I wouldn't go to pure electro parties anymore. Nothing against two or three hours of straight weiber-elektro, but a whole night is simply to much.

Don't know.. lost interest in this music very quickly, and my taste shifted towards the more guitar oriented musics. I ignored most of the classic wave/goth music over the past years, and and it's time for me to dig for forgotten gems.

  ST

[W]

And btw, for some reason I thought industrial was born in belgium.

that was EBM! :wink:

[SuperTorus]

Ah.. ok. thanks.

ST

[Drachenkind]

How commercial is our mainstream?
As the other wrote about the good music, I play the bad guy.
A bit more about mainstream.

German country music is really on world niveau, as terrible as everyone else country shit.
Our German HipHop, R&B is terrible without world niveau, but nevertheless, radio station play this garbage.
Then we have TV casting shows for bands, which produce countless numbers of music monkeys. Clone of an clone.
Once a year the European Song Contest gives the worst of the worst German mainstream it's audience. People freak out the last time, for an guy in his early twenties, with nearly no hair on his head and an voice that wins in the "Valium 2004" contest.
For the rest this time is a major suffering.
Certainly we get bombarded by mainstream crap from the USA & UK, which doensn't improve things.
So we have lots of shity bands which become known for 1-2 songs and thankfully vanishing, to be replaced by some other.

Have you in the USA this terrible phenomen of the "summer song"?
A artificial "be happy" summer song, played up and down in the radio/tv.
This year O-Zone "Dragos ..."
Torture, pure torture. Repeating an audio, painful, brain deleting song on and on, that is torture.


My personal taste.
I like Metal, Indepandant, the more melodic gothic bands (Deine Lakaien)and medieval-rock bands.
Don't know if this direction is known in the USA.
Bands like In Extremo, Schandmaul, Subway to Sally. As they are quite text dependant, and singing mainly German, don't know if they're so interesting outside.
As Indepandant didn't evolve lately and Metal has an good upstart again
more Metal lately.
Industrial doesn't really suit my dancestyle, as most Electric bands.
Nethertheless, I go to clubs with these music, as it is quite better than the mainstream.

[schneeball]

The reason most American rivetheads hold Germany up as the "birth place" of Industrial music, rightly or wrongly, is because of the major influence Einstruerzende Neubauten had on later UK and US industrial bands. I know that EN was not a geniune "Industrial" band, but you can't ignore the major influence they had on later bands that would get slapped with the industrial label.

But as "W" already said it is hardly played in the radio. Instead they play a lot of that R&B, Hip-Hop, Funk & soul, which is something I hate even more.

I'm a little suprised. It's been a few years since bands like Ministry, NIN, Prodigy, Front 242 and KMFDM were played regularly on U.S. radio, but occationally the genre does still get some limited airplay here. I thought that it would be more commercially popular in Germany than it actually is.

German country music is really on world niveau, as terrible as everyone else country shit.

Now when you say "German country music", you are not actually referring to cowboy hats, rednecks and twangy guitar country....correct? I'm assuming you're referring to something more traditionally European like German folk or something right?

Also, is the European Song Contest the same as that Eurovision thing? I'm only slightly familiar with this contest.

Have you in the USA this terrible phenomen of the "summer song"?
A artificial "be happy" summer song, played up and down in the radio/tv.

I don't think so.

 

like Metal, Indepandant, the more melodic gothic bands (Deine Lakaien)and medieval-rock bands. Don't know if this direction is known in the USA.

Metal is slowly resurfacing in the U.S. But not that glam-metal shit like Poison or Motley Crue. It's different Metal. Most Metalheads also listen to Industrial, because in America, Industrial, goth, and Metal (to a degree) sort of go hand in hand, kind of like in Germany, and, I'm assuming, in other countries as well. I don't listen to much Metal, but one band that I do like is Kill Switch Engage.

Scandanavian bands are slowly gaining popularity among the younger kids. I think there is a band from Finland that is getting noticed over here. Also, there are a slew of American grind-core/death-Metal bands that are played on TV. We have a channel that plays pretty interesting stuff. It's on cable so you guys might get it too.

Uranium: Plays videos by Scandanavian and American Grind/Metal (what ever you want to call it) bands. It also plays alot of industrial and hybrid bands like Rammstein, KMFDM and Suicide Commando.

Rockzilla: Plays lot's of Metal and some punk. Alot of the punk bands they play sound kind of commercial though.

[schneeball]

Oh, I almost forgot. This will be my last question. Is David Hasselhoff still popular in Germany?

[Drachenkind]

No, Hasselhof isn't popular anylonger.
Now we have Dieter Bohlen. He is an true homemade singing terror, and sadly an music producer. So his "minions" continue his work.  
But some things should be burried under a mantle of silence.
*shudder*

Sorry, with country, I reffered to German folk music.
And Eurovision is now called European Song Contest often.

[XNewWave]

Also, are you more into industrial or goth or both?

Industrial whatever it is, but I think you mean NIN, Ministry and so on . This is for me as like as goth , I like both .

In last years I hear a lot of Electro-Clash like Ladytron , Nazis from Mars or The Faint and from USA Freezepop http://www.freezepop.com